tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2158853543793456735.post3071358567374901875..comments2023-10-02T04:50:01.667-07:00Comments on VoIPNorm's Collaboration Blog: CUCiMOC the Final sayChris Normanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07200178774058910421noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2158853543793456735.post-52029989257544718402009-09-04T08:42:37.391-07:002009-09-04T08:42:37.391-07:00I read the other day over at nojitter.com that mad...I read the other day over at nojitter.com that made sense to me. UC is not a product, its a concept. So depending how you define UC it can mean different things. For years, I kept trying to define UC with products, where as now, I look at it more as a concept with a mixture of business practices and solutions from an array of vendors. Voice, Video, Messaging and Collaboration.<br /><br />Defiantly a career to be in these days! except at nortel haAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2158853543793456735.post-55415599335841433222009-09-03T19:25:59.659-07:002009-09-03T19:25:59.659-07:00Hi,
You make some good points but in the end just...Hi,<br /><br />You make some good points but in the end just because its the safe solution (Cisco UC) doesn't make it the best one. I work for a large enterprise that has large investments in both Cisco and MSFT and they choose MSFT because the Cisco UC story is not what it should be with all its bolt on platforms to CUCM and the whole CUWL story did more damage than good. Training people on a new platform is not a big deal because everytime Cisco upgrade their platform, you have to go through all the training for admins anyway. As for users they already had MOC in their hands so it wasn't a big deal just to add new features.<br /><br />I think in the long run market share between the two will vary depending on what they release. At the moment MSFT have the leg up in the UC space just because Cisco do not have a large scale Enterprise IM and presence engine. But like anything nothing is certain and this space has a long life a head of it.Chris Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07200178774058910421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2158853543793456735.post-89144740957942347002009-09-03T16:41:23.309-07:002009-09-03T16:41:23.309-07:00I think if you are not a Cisco shop, the CUCIMOC ...I think if you are not a Cisco shop, the CUCIMOC does not make sense much less the CUPS server. From a configuration standpoint, it is night and day compared to the CUPS server deployment with MOC. No more DNS queries, SIP trunks to and from the OCS server, sifting through log files why x does not work and y should. The CUCIMOC is quick to deploy, easy for any size org. I see more 1000-3000 CUPS/MOC deployments that would love to get rid of the CUPS server. <br />Orgs that have huge investments in Cisco UC really do not care they have ability to run Enterprise voice because it was included in their licensing. Enterprise voice and Cisco UC do talk to each other of course, the but the features, configurations, support is completely different. You have a staff of 20 trained around Cisco UC solutions. You have executive admins, support centers, end users on Cisco UC. Switching out to an OCS platform because there is a license included? nope.<br /><br />For orgs that are Cisco, the ability to have presence in their MOC is what they are looking for. Personally, I do not pick up the phone, I type in my MOC client, see there on the phone and IM them to call me. Call rings on my IP Communicator or whatever Cisco device im using seemlessly.<br /><br />You are correct. Its a wakeup call to MSFT. MSFT before would harp "Well, to make Cisco solutions work you need to buy their server and x licenses, etc" Now there is no server. No Sip trunks to/from CUCM or CUPS.<br /><br />It's funny. All over the UC blogs, postings, etc.. we all say someone is going to be the "dominate" player in this arena. And I think it just will not happen. There will always be anti cisco shops, and anti MSFT shops. And when you have that, you will never have dominance in the market, but each will share a good chunk of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com